We all know great poems that read like songs such as "The Road Not Taken", but then there are the less-difficult to write poems that don't have a rhyme scheme such as An "Old Man's Winter Night." Robert Frost wrote both these poems, but i theorize he bummed off in writing the latter (maybe it was 4:20? I will say no more) I'm going to do something I should've done ever since I layed eyes on the calamaties of haikus and rhymescheme-less poems: Deliver justice to these pushovers.
Literary fanatacists hold these poetic disasters within the sanctuary of the term "art", but I wish I could rip them out, line them up, and have a forced recall for these faulty products because they are nothing but sorry excuses for narratives without the grace of punctuation, grammar, or lyrical tone. Now these pseudo-poets and Thorouhge (I refuse to spell his name correctly because I refuse to conform to his defective wills) will come knocking at my door, begging me, "How can we get our message told?" USE A NARRATIVE OR PROSE. I cannot stress enough how many times I shirked my grammar and punctuation when I was younger because I took these gremlins as formal prose when fitting a tune to the tale failed.
Boycott these works that try to pass as poems. Are your standards for entertainment so low? Force the authors to actually put thought into rhyme schemes and/or consider switching their work to another form of literature and/or art.
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It looks like someone is so simple minded that he cannot appreciate anything short of a limerick.
things without rhyme schemes do have some poetic value
joe, you contradict yourself, I cannot be simple minded because my standards, as you say are unyielding to shortcomings.
And Kyle, everything has poetic value when society's standards are so low that poems without rhyme schemes are still considered poems. Alliteration, assonance, consonance can make up for a rhyme scheme, but obscure usages that don't satisfy me won't do.
your mind is simple because you hold a simple trick of sound in higher regard than an insightful idea.
Darwin, when you read poetry, do you just count (?) rhyming scheme but never actually read the poem?
joe, you are wrong. An insightful idea can have a trick of sound that will amplify the message more. Also, why can't the insightful idea be in the form of a prose or narrative?
and, who is Darwin?
so what is more important now mr. lee?--an amplifier (rhyme) or the idea it amplifies (message)?
No-delwin-I say to you. Your post is in obvious frustration of not being smart enough to understand unconventional grammar. Must all art obey your simple-minded preferences?
And btw, how does rhyme amplify theme? Does this mean sonnets somehow carry more power than free verse?
The message is obviously more important, a poem written in the form of a sonnet will be better than a poem of equal ideas written without a rhyme scheme or other literary devices pertaining to the reading of the poem.
In fact, understanding unconventional grammar is not the problem. From my original post, Unconventional grammar is ok as long as the poem rhymes, therefore your theory about me not being smart enough to appreciate unconventional grammar is also flawed.
And according to your standards, this blog post/comment can also be considered a poem.
To take a page from your book, delwin, "you contradict yourself."
You never exactly say why rhyme amplifies theme; for example, how does ABABCDCD.....express the vulnerability of man in a poem?--It is simply a style of writing, just like free verse, narrative, or prose.
Free verse and non-rhyming poetry
You obviously do have a problem with unconvential grammar when you state, "I wish I could...have a recall for these faulty products because they are nothing but sorry excuses for narratives without the grace of punctuation, grammar, or lyrical tone." and remember childhood experiences of bad grammar--but it is highly unlikely that a young child, especially one like you, would even read such advanced poetry.
Also, how do you even know what my standards of poetry are? All I have told you is that rhyme is a rather simple technique that is not essential.
Delwin, it seems that you know nothing about good works of English, let alone AP Chemistry, Precalculus, or any other subject.
It's Magic.
Omission is not contradiction in this case. You misinterpret the word amplify. Obviously the letters, ABABCDCD, won't express anything other than variables reflecting a sonnet's rhyme scheme.
And you take tid bits of my original posts out of context. I have a problem with unconventional/wrong grammar AND punctuation when it is not used in poetry that rhymes.
I know what your standards are because poetry to you is the idea that it contains. Free verse poetry can have any style, absences of literary devices, or pretty much anything. Since this comment has D style, and has an idea, by your standards, this and every piece of writing is considered poetry.
Since you don't know me, and I don't know you, how can you say I am a simple child? I happen to be an adult, and I have never heard of AP Chemistry or Precalculus. For your information, when I was younger in High School, I excelled in Integrated Remedial Math I and II, therefore I am quite proficient with addition AND subtraction.
It's not magic because it's only OK, Jose
OK
1)My point is rhyme is simply a play on words and sound and that it cannot inherently express or relate to any true theme
2)I don't take anything out of context..look at your own post
3)It doesn't make sense that you can't understand "bad" grammar unless it rhymes
4)You still don't know how I define poetry-find Mr. Isham if you want it.
I'm too tired to argue with you anymore Darwin. Go do homework or study for our next group test you incompetent, blundering drama queen.
Who is this Darwin that sounds like such a character?
1) Who said it could replace theme?
2) You take out the part about me saying the faulty product sentence. Loose grammar is OK for poems that rhyme.
3) Obviously, I can understand it. I find it less efficient than prose or a narrative.
4) So basically anything Mr. Isham says is what you believe in when you can't actually remember what he says? But Ignorance is bliss, so I can't blame you.
Since I am not Darwin, you are not tired of arguing with Delwin. And I find your insults against Darwin uncalled for.
guys, settle this at school. don't shield yourselves behind pointless aliases, delwin and joe.
I'm gonna err nick on this one. Although, I hate most free verse (Walt Whitman), Non-rhyming poems are fine a lot of them are crap, but that's just cuz its popular to do that now, so everyone jumps of on the bandwagon, but there is no problem with the concept.
I am fan of "free iambic verse which is an extension of the work of the Jacobean dramatists. Practitioners of this sort of free verse include: T. S. Eliot, Hart Crane, and W. H. Auden.", but not "cadenced verse in the manner of Walt Whitman". I think the Whitman style, to answer Nick's argument, has little theme focus or meaning, along with sounding ugly. Basically, I don't like free verse, but take a good message despite its rhyme scheme and I do agree with Darwin that between two equivalent poems, I will take the rhyming one because it sounds better by a large margin.
If you like rhyme, read some Poe...the master.
But never look at free verse and think "Walt Whitman."
Free verse can get good if it's done well.
I'm not even going to respond to Delwin/Darwin's stupidness.
And Hernandez, don't blaspheme by quoting wiki--caught you!
1. No problem with quoting wiki
2. Poe is not the God of poetry, you idolize him too much.
First off, don't tell me who to idolize and who not to--I am my own man.
Secondly. I didn't say there was a problem with wiki...I thought you said that (or maybe arnest)
Blasphemer!
Sorry, I put "'s around it, maybe I was just unclear. Also, I will tell you who to idolize starting with AL GORE!
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